Talk:Doom Slayer

That new edit may be the best edit ever. 'Alive - Angry' - Novaseer (talk) 17:25, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

Full of miss-info
Can someone please get rid of all the false fanfic info in this article? id has allready confirmed that this is a reboot, the original games have nothing to do with the current ones. ps: the rabbits foot in quake champions is a reference to the original doom skin and nothing else, so that isnt proof.

Acuriousindividual (talk) 12:27, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

Validity of DOOM 3's inclusion on the DOOM Slayer's page should be reconsidered.
With the new information added by DOOM Eternal, and the recent ports it should be noted that DOOM 3 is not directly cannon with the current DOOM timeline. Quoting from several store page descriptions, excluding steam due to it already having most games on it, it is stated that DOOM 3 is an "action-horror re-telling of the original DOOM." This isn't to say that some things can overlap like the soul cube being present, but the fact that it is stated as a "re-telling" disconnects DOOM 3 with the storyline of the classic games entirely especially since this is the lates statement on DOOM 3's story. Additionally with the latest cannon established by DOOM Eternal, the Slayer's past comes directly from DOOM I, II, and 64 with not even a slight mention of DOOM 3. With this evidence, I believe DOOM 3 should be left out of the DOOM Slayer's page entirely until it is directly proven that DOOM 3 is relevent to DOOM's current cannon. Singe (talk) 05:10, March 29, 2020 (UTC)


 * Nothing about Doom Eternal, invalidates Doom 3... THe fact is the dvelopers haven't commented at all on its validity or not. Doom 2016 makes several references to elements from Doom 3, including shared elements of each timeline. As for this page the only part of Doom 3 character that really matters is the Quake CHampions Doom Slayer "information", which that section is actually based on. It's not mentioned at all in the upper half ot the page. Doom 2016 is a soft-reboot of both classic doom and Doom3. It shares elements of both. But its very 'loose'. Art of Doom Eternal also seems to make references to Doom 3 as well, but possibly in the 'vega' sees the character in the game as "ancestral memories'/laternate universe memories', not necessairly his history from his original timeline.Baggins (talk) 03:35, March 29, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll clarify my point that because I'll admit my terminology was a bit confusing. When I say DOOM 3 is not cannon, I mean the story of the Marine of DOOM 3 does not fall in line with the DOOM Slayer's story as of right now. I believe it's possible that the Slayer could currently be in DOOM 3's universe; however, the corelations with the Marine and the Slayer in the page are as of right now unfounded. At this point it is safe to assume that DOOM 2016 and Eternal are continuations to the classic DOOM storyline rather than the previously assumed "Soft-reboot" as we are directly involving the classic game's story. What is currently concrete is that the Slayer is DOOMguy, but there is no evidence that the DOOM 3 Marine is, hence why the mention of the Slayer being involved with DOOM 3's story should be dropped from the page until concretely proven otherwise. Bearing no ill feelings towards Quake Champions, the story telling within Champions is made by a different team and not specifically the team who are working on the current DOOM story so any information should be taken with a grain of salt. I'll say again, I think it's possible that DOOM 3 is cannon; however, there is no true evidence that %100 proves that the Slayer and the Marine are one in the same therefore the connection between the two should be dropped from the page. Singe (talk) 05:10, March 29, 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree with you, but that's one reason I leave that section (Doom 3 marine) only to the Quake CHampions section, which includes quotes related to Doom 3. All areas above the Quake 3 champions only pertains to Doom 2016/Doom Eternal with a nod to classic Doom (evnts). We don't realy know where 'classic doom fits on a timeline either'.. all that "worlds and time" non-linear existing for thousands of years time travel shenanigans... We don't even know if classic doom was even in the 'same universe' or not, see multiverse from Art of Doom Eternal. IN anycase I think its pretty clear QUake Champions sectuion is seperated from the main games sections. Baggins (talk) 05:29, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Not to mention DOom's placement on an timeline has always been kind of nebulous... With some sources placing it possilby in early 2000s, others in the 22nd century. But its never been locked down.. and is that 20th centuror 21st centuryin the 'same universe" or parallel universes? Who can say? The developers maybe but they haven't. Art of Doom ETernal does imply parallel universes though, but no specific dates.Baggins (talk) 05:33, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

I understand your point, and I accept your reasoning. I will admit I did get lost in the sections of this page because the Quake section is so expansive leading me to forget that it was for a different section, but I will say I think the section has enough to be placed in it's own page. To keep things from being confusing this page should probably be exclusively for the DOOM Slayer explaining his time in DOOM I, II, 64, 2016, and Eternal, and the Quake Champions Slayer should be placed on it's own page. I'm not arguing timelines, just sugesting that we clarify about the one partially concrete character in this admitedly confusing series. As a final note the first paragraph of the page mentions that the Slayer is the protagonist of "Doom, Doom II: Hell on Earth, Doom 3, Final Doom, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Quake Champions and Doom Eternal," and I feel the ommition of DOOM 3 is necissary to not add any more confusion on the topic. Singe (talk) 05:53, March 29, 2020 (UTC)


 * I resectioned it, and put more distinct headings so it should be pretty clear at this point that top is everythigng one need to know about the Doom (2016) Doom Slayer, and everything at the bottom is Quake Champions adaptaiton of the character. I also expanded the top's history, hopefully clear and concise manner. It still needs better summaries of Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal, not sure why anyone hasn't finished the summary section in the past? But it should be pretty clear at this point, that there are two halves to the article (see the index)Baggins (talk) 02:33, March 30, 2020 (UTC)