User talk:Phoenix22121989

Demonic Crucible
The problem with this is we have no idea what's supposed to have killed The Titan or how it was achieved, so we can't say what's "probably" true. It seems a little far-fetched given how obliterated the Titan corpse is that it was killed in the normal manner (Crucible embedded in a vital organ) since we'd be able to see it if it was the skull and the heart seems to be gone completely. All we can really say is we have no idea how precisely the Slayer is supposed to have killed it, since that's all the information we have.

There's also the question of why, if the Crucible was embedded in the Titan's body, the demons would have been kind enough to snap the blade off so it stayed dead rather than pulling it out. Frankly everything about the Demonic Crucible is a little weird in light of the rules established in Eternal.

It's also pretty clear that it's possible to kill a Titan with something other than a Crucible since the Atlan wrecks in Hell seem to have done just that. And per the edit you made, almost every Atlan we see is posed with a dead Titan, as opposed to two Titans we've ever seen killed with a Crucible. Frankly, the Atlans seem more effective in that regard, which is probably why the Sentinels used them. Evil Tim (talk) 12:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Taras Nabad is the city level on Argent D'Nur where you get the Slayer's own Crucible back. The Dreadnought is the Titan the Slayer killed with it, the one that's slumped over on its back in between the combat challenge where you have to kill a Marauder on a timer and that weird arena with the floating platform and the flight of stairs where you have to fight another Marauder.


 * I mean the thing is, even if you take the Eternal lore at face value that the Slayer had to use a Crucible to kill The Titan (despite Atlans being able to kill Titans which suggests it's not actually the only way: the one posed over the big arena in Hell-Side Exultia doesn't even have its spear switched on and the Titan in front of it is still dead, after all), we don't know it was the Demonic Crucible. I mean presumably the Argenta made more than two of the things. Evil Tim (talk) 13:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the problem is the Titan in Hell that the Slayer killed is just called "The Titan," probably because at that point they hadn't planned for there to be more than one of the things. The one in Taras Nabad was called "The Dreadnought" according to one of the Story of the Sentinels Codex entries. We don't have a page for that one yet. Evil Tim (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Well going by the lore in Eternal, a demon is a human body that has given in to despair and lost its soul or had the soul pulled out of it by one of the Maykr machines, so if you destroy that body there's presumably nothing left. Hell just happens to be a realm people from other worlds can end up when they die, but you can still die there. Evil Tim (talk) 01:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Stop changing the Doom Eternal monster template
Unwilling, Zombies, and Mecha-Zombie are on the same page, so please stop adding it three times. Also, Summoned Wolves are not Fodder, nor technically an enemy, so that's why I put them in the "See Also" section. I'll be fine listening to your reasoning, and I am open to discussion. I'm | You have my permission to rip and tear.

Pet theories aren't relevant
Information can change as the games progress, but that doesn't make fan theories sacrosanct until proven otherwise. It makes them speculation and irrelevant.

Doom Slayer
I worded it a little wrong. I was trying to say that the Doom 3 Marine and the Doom Slayer are unrelated. I mean, yes, Doom 3 is not canon to the mainline doom games, but i guess that doesn't belong in the doom slayer article. Then again, there are pages here that are old and still say the Doom Slayer and Doomguy aren't the same person. Those pages need to be updated, but sorry if it seems like i was trying to edit war with you. Not my intention at all, lol

Vagary status as a boss
I understand that you do not believe Vagary to be a boss. However I would like to point out that her spawn cheat is "spawn monster_boss_vagary" which I think is pretty conclusive to her being one. Also even the page itself goes on to say that she is the first official boss.